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2012 AGM will be held at the clubhouse on Thursday 24th May.
For a list of those entitled to Vote and/or stand for Office please navigate to CLUB INFO then to DOCUMENTS then scroll down to 2012 Membership Summary where you can download the membership list. If you think you should be on the list but aren't please contact Peggy on 07775836 481
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when is the cut off date for standing for positions? Also when was it decided that only payed up members could stand or vote as I notice many of the players from this season are not on that list? if that is the case then we need to be that strict with the playing side rather then applying the rules as and when.
Is anyone going to shed any light onto the above comment from stoner? I agree with him and would like to know whats going on?
Surely this has always been the case non members have never been able to vote the same as in any club/organisation that you have to pay to be a member of (as far as I know?).
And as we all know players are getting away without paying every week for different reasons some vallied most not though.
Having paid £25 per month since 1 April 2011 (should only be £10), and stopped recently as I'll pay Annually next season, thats £275, I should be entitled to vote.
Iain-re your post. I have replied to the text you sent me confirming my mistake and am in the process of issuing updated list.
Iain-re your post. I have replied to the text you sent me confirming my mistake and am in the process of issuing updated list.
Surely though if you are not a member of the club
How can you play for the club? And not have a say in how the club you play for is run?
There is still no answer to the cut off point for
Nominations for positions?
My oppinion is that I think it's a bit late in the season to suddenly get tough about subs and deny guys that have played often as a 'favour' the right to vote. I agree that everyone should pay subs but surely after the agm we draw a line under it, we take the stern approach for next season. Then it's consistent. Next season I believe only subs payed up players to play even if that means relegation again. I personally when asking if players had payed subs this season have been told 'he doesn't have to, he's doing us a favour' or 'don't worry about him he's struggling at the moment'. Iv not got a massive beef about this I just think its a bit silly to be getting tough when it will do nothing but harm the voting process by limiting numbers that can vote and who will still be involved with the club next season.
I think you'll find the cut of point is on the night when the board is taken down, and even then if a position hasn't been filled someone can put there hand up there and then.
Sorry - only just be advised of the comments above. I don't think the current approach is limiting the people that can vote at the AGM. If someone wants to be eligible to vote/stand they can become a member at anytime upto the AGM and qualify. My contact details are on the website for anyone that wants to contact me. I have tried my best to get membership/subs from players all season but I don't think just because someone has played for free means they should be given an honorary membership.
O right thanks for clearing that up steve
Fair enough, anyone wishing to vote bring money to cover your annuals then you are eligible to vote. If you have payed direct debits in excess of the cost of annuals please let Peggy know and you can get added to the list.
The fact is that this rule has always been in place it's just that . thanks to Peggy, we are now sure of who has paid what
There seems to be some confusion about match subs and annual membership fees..........to the best of my knowledge as a member for the best part of 35 years only fully paid up club members ( annuals ) can stand or vote at the AGM.
Match subs is another issue........I believe the concept is that if you are not a paid up club member ( annuals ) then you should not be picked to play for the club in any team after the cut off date ( end of October ). This rule has always been flexible to allow personal situations ( unemployment etc ) to be taken into account and for the exceptional circumstance when a player turns out to do the club a favour ( once or twice ). No matter who you are you should pay your weekly match subs as this pays for the kit washing and the training facilities and equipment.
The sad people who avoid any of these payments should be ashamed of themselves and named. The list issued of paid up members is a shock to me and embarassing for WRFC.
Out of a membership of 66 ( counting Pringer ) we have 10 life members and another 9 ex players even older than me. That leaves 47 ( including me ) and we have were running 4 sides some of the time. To my reckoning more than half of the 1st and 2nd team players that represented the club this year are not members and probably the same people did not pay match subs either !!
We have got to sort this out........its no wonder we have not got enough income
Sounds like chairman material to me!
Sorry too, stick my nose in , you have also got players that have paid colts fees this year which adds to the number of paid up members, which is half of the 4th, and some of the 3rds. But still a short fall
The intention at the start of the season was to get all of the First XV & Wasps either as a VP or Gold Member to avoid the Hassle of collecting subs on a Saturday. I think at one point we achieved this, so whether the list isn't up to date or people have since cancelled their standing orders.
A handful of Warriors are Vp's but reckognising that with turnover of players there would be a lot casual players. This year there were a lot of Colts playing, and with the Wanderers, as long as players paid on a Saturday, the main thing was to get a Fourth team out. God knows how many players wore a Wanderers shirt this year knowing that 57 played for the Firsts.
Revenue through subs I would guess is up on previous years so we must be doing something right, however there are always a handful of people that expect to pay for free.
I signed up as a gold member at the start of the season, but due to injury cancelled my standing order. I will obviously sign back up start of next season. But will I still be able to vote at the AGM?
Dane. Give me a ring about restarting your standing order.
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Guys. To vote at the AGM you either need to be a current member or become a member for the coming season. If you have not paid any membership costs in the last year (exc life members etc) you are not a member. If you want to become a member in order to vote at the AGM call me before Thursday on 07775 836481 and I will let you know what your options are.
why is this difficult to understand........As I understand it, if you are not a fully paid up member at the AGM then you can neither stand for office or vote, it has always been this way.
Just letting everyone know Daniel Hawkins is standing for chairman, seconded by myself. Cheers
well done Hawkins, you have my vote!
I've always thought hawkins would make a good chairman, he will be having my vote.
Congrats to all of you that got voted or re elected last night. We will get promoted back to Western Counties if you have the desire. We are good enough and should never have got relegated.
I was away for the AGM - Is a list going to be published as to who holds what position for the coming season ?
One thing i feel i must add, is an explanation as to how disgusting i think it was for Matt Stone to be voted out as club captain without even one word of thanks or appreciation for what he has done over the last 2 seasons. I wish my good freind Dean all the best in the position of new Club Cap, my beef is not with him, but simply the way that Matt was allowed to leave the building on Thursday without so much as even a pat on the back.....
Given the lack of actual senior rugby players at the AGM, either not in attendance because of being a junior or not officially paid up (but allowed to play none the less) its no wonder why it allways seems at our club the the rugby comes 2nd!!!!!
Well done Stoner!!!!!
Here here! Well done Matt.
Good shout Ryan, let's reclaim the club for the players by making sure everyone pays their annuals so they can actually vote as well as play!!!
Well done stoner, good couple of seasons as club captain. But your still fat
What bollocks Ben, how can you reclaim the club when its always been the players club, everybody on the committee is either a current or ex player, and the fact is there are people who aren't willing to pay their dues to be a member.The generation before mine actually built the clubhouse, and my generation were supplying senior committee members in their late 20s, we've then seemed to have skipped a generation, so its going to be time soon for the next lot to come forward and it will then be their task to safeguard the existence of the club for the lads playing in the Juniors & minis.
Any need for that Martin aren't we all entitled to an opinion? Im not gonna get too involved with the politics side of things but It seems to me that there are no current players on the main committee at the moment
Sorry Ben, but I think you'll find that nobody on the committee is there for any reason other than the good of the club, and as soon as somebody of the same capability is ready to take their place they'll be more than happy to hand their role over
Does anyone know what MC Hammer is up to these days?
Cant touch this!!!!
Looking to the next season and in the hope of engaging all club members and players I thought it might be useful to carry out a review of the current membership structure. I will put a proposal to the committee at the next meeting in June. My current thoughts are detailed below. If anyone has any constructive comments or suggestions please feel free to post them here, call me or email me at mpeggy@sky.com. This is a chance for everyone to have a say.
CURRENT THOUGHTS:
As a player and past vice captain I know how difficult it can be to collect subs and make sure you have subs available each week. My current thinking is therefore that we abolish weekly subs and annual membership for players and replace it with a monthly payment via standing order of £17.50 per month. The entitlements attached to the will be unchanged from the past full playing membership entitlements but with no subs due on a weekly basis and no one off membership charge. This would mean we have the following membership categories:
Full playing membership: £17.50 per month (no annual membership charge or subs)
Gold membership: £20.00 per month (unchanged)
Vice President membership: £25.00 per month (unchanged)
Student membership: £10.00 per month for 8 months (unchanged and currently no voting rights)
U19 membership: £5.00 per month for 8 months (unchanged and currently no voting rights)
Non playing member: £50 per year (unchanged)
Social member: £30 per year (unchanged)
Mini and junior family membership: £20 or £10 for single parents per year. (unchanged)
In order to be eligible to play, regular players should either by full playing, gold or vp members - buy in, in relation to this will be required by the rugby committee. A transitional arrangement may have to be thought about for new/casual players (?) and any ideas here are welcome. I will email everyone on rugby committee a copy of this thread in case they do not read this.
Thoughts may also have to be given to payments from people no are not employed etc and again any thoughts on this are welcome.
I think it is good to be having open discussions about membership costs etc and be clear going into the coming season what the position is.
MC Hammer just phoned me and wants to be a vp!!
Agree with your suggestion Peggy I would only stress that the rules be applied and not allowed to slip as in previous seasons. No player to be picked in any circumstance if behind on subs. I would also suggest proof of unemployment or benefits be sought rather then going on word of mouth.
Looks good Peggy, can you clarify the non playing member, as last year was £40.00 (less £10 if paid before 1 September) and if it wasn't paid by 1 October is increased by £10
Membership booklet and application form have £50 (£40 if paid before 1 September).
I need to set the record straight, I'm not after any belated thanks or anything of the sort the only point Iv made to a few people is like Ryan price said I felt a bit upset that I was allowed to leave the building after the agm without so much as a pat on the back. As dean weaver will vouch I said to him out on the stairs when everyone was voting that I didn't mind him being captain it suited me in a lot of ways. The truth be known the only reason I stood was peer pressure that I should stand again, what surprised me was that many people who suggested that I stand again then voted against me which in itself I couldn't get my head around. 3 seasons Iv captained Whitehall the first 2 I loved every minute but this last season was a nightmare not cause of relegation but cause of lack of training, lack of effort and lack of guys wanting to play. As for rumours that I'm Not gonna commit this season they are rubbish all Iv said is that with work commitments, personal commitments and health commitments I may not be around as much as I would like to be so if that means 3/4th team rugby then that's what it means, hence why in many ways it's better dean weaver was voted in over myself. I wish everyone in the new committee the absolute best of luck, I really hope the players don't allow it to implode like they did last season, last season the players were at fault you can blame coaches, captains or committee but in the end Its player that choose to train or play.
Cheers Peggy
Matt, you have never been committed to health!!!!
Sounds good Peggy....
I think MC Hammer plays 10, thats me in the 3rds then......
Mate I'm forced to spend more time at the Whitehall tavern need to flush this dvt through! Anyways I hear mc hammer was proping next season I'll be joining you in the 3s!
Well said stoner, I think you've had a hell of a hard job captaining such a large squad of players that, sometimes, feel they don't need to train and expect to win games on Saturdays, as well as all the other "jobs" that get dumped on you a club captain. Well done for all the work you've done and just focus on enjoying your rugby next season.
Peggy, great idea, I hope its supported.
Chinnock, the doors have always been open to ANYONE within the club to join the committee and have their say on how the club is run. The clubs a democracy and the people that are VOTED on make those decisions on behalf of the rest of the club.
Yeah that's fair enough smiles and I know everyone on the committee wants what's best for the club but you say who gets VOTED in but only half the club were allowed to vote. And I know that the people who werent allowed to vote is because they owed money but they were also being begged to play last season, so what is that about??
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